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		<title>Comment on Doug Richards talking Entrepreneurship and Collaboration by Scott Gould</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/06/doug-richards-talking-entrepreneurship-and-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-531</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love these words that Doug shares.

Thanks for capturing this and sharing, much appreciated!

Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love these words that Doug shares.</p>
<p>Thanks for capturing this and sharing, much appreciated!</p>
<p>Scott</p>
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		<title>Comment on 23 Ways to Mess Up (Business) Relationships by Patrick</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/05/23-ways-to-mess-up-business-relationships/comment-page-1/#comment-393</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 09:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might sound trite, but I actually think that most business issues come down to communication. At a very fundamental level, that is what management is: communicating with people. Certainly in project management, if one can get the communication right, you&#039;re more or less there.

The hard bit is getting the communciation right!

It will be interesting to see if flat organisations (and perhaps social media tools?) improve communications. I think they should, but they may also increase vagueness, too. We&#039;ll see!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might sound trite, but I actually think that most business issues come down to communication. At a very fundamental level, that is what management is: communicating with people. Certainly in project management, if one can get the communication right, you&#8217;re more or less there.</p>
<p>The hard bit is getting the communciation right!</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see if flat organisations (and perhaps social media tools?) improve communications. I think they should, but they may also increase vagueness, too. We&#8217;ll see!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Motivation &#8211; How Business Has it Wrong and How You Can Put it Right by Patrick</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/06/motivation-how-business-has-it-wrong-and-how-you-can-put-it-right/comment-page-1/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 09:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw &lt;a href=&quot;http://patrickhadfield.wordpress.com/2010/01/30/dan-pink-on-motivation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dan Pink talk at the RSA&lt;/a&gt; earlier this, though I haven&#039;t read his book on motivation yet. He is a great speaker (though he seems to have said everything in his TEDTalk - he didn&#039;t add anything new in person!), but I also think he is oversimplifying a fair bit.

I think he is absolutely right that if you want the best people, you should pay them sufficiently to make money cease to be the issue. But then, all other things being equal, another organisation could come along and poach your workers (staff, colleagues, coworkers, whoever) for marginally more money. So it doesn&#039;t really change much: in a competitive environment where there is a free flow of people as well as capital, if I can get more money for the same effort, I am likely to do so. And I am not really motivated by money!

There has been a lot over the last couple of years about bankers&#039; bonuses. I believe that whilst bonuses may not motivate success in a significant fashion, they also act as signals: if you want people who are going to function effectively in what is cut-throat competitive environment, find those who ARE motivated by big bonuses - and hire them. That&#039;s the way the economic model works.

(And hopefully they&#039;ll start adding some ethical tests into the mix as well...)

I do think Pink&#039;s ideas - which are not new, really - could have a big impact on future organisations and their structures - particularly if the fable move towards flat structures with portfolio workers actually happens. If one has a variety of different jobs with different organisations on the go and they all pay roughly the same, how is one organisation going to stand out from the rest? Providing interest through autonomy, mastery and purpose (surely part of Maslow&#039;s higher level needs?) sounds like a good way to do it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw <a href="http://patrickhadfield.wordpress.com/2010/01/30/dan-pink-on-motivation/" rel="nofollow">Dan Pink talk at the RSA</a> earlier this, though I haven&#8217;t read his book on motivation yet. He is a great speaker (though he seems to have said everything in his TEDTalk &#8211; he didn&#8217;t add anything new in person!), but I also think he is oversimplifying a fair bit.</p>
<p>I think he is absolutely right that if you want the best people, you should pay them sufficiently to make money cease to be the issue. But then, all other things being equal, another organisation could come along and poach your workers (staff, colleagues, coworkers, whoever) for marginally more money. So it doesn&#8217;t really change much: in a competitive environment where there is a free flow of people as well as capital, if I can get more money for the same effort, I am likely to do so. And I am not really motivated by money!</p>
<p>There has been a lot over the last couple of years about bankers&#8217; bonuses. I believe that whilst bonuses may not motivate success in a significant fashion, they also act as signals: if you want people who are going to function effectively in what is cut-throat competitive environment, find those who ARE motivated by big bonuses &#8211; and hire them. That&#8217;s the way the economic model works.</p>
<p>(And hopefully they&#8217;ll start adding some ethical tests into the mix as well&#8230;)</p>
<p>I do think Pink&#8217;s ideas &#8211; which are not new, really &#8211; could have a big impact on future organisations and their structures &#8211; particularly if the fable move towards flat structures with portfolio workers actually happens. If one has a variety of different jobs with different organisations on the go and they all pay roughly the same, how is one organisation going to stand out from the rest? Providing interest through autonomy, mastery and purpose (surely part of Maslow&#8217;s higher level needs?) sounds like a good way to do it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Motivation &#8211; How Business Has it Wrong and How You Can Put it Right by Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/06/motivation-how-business-has-it-wrong-and-how-you-can-put-it-right/comment-page-1/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 07:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, James! It is quite stunning that businesses carry on as they are, given what we know (and have known for a long time).

Eaon - I&#039;m heading over to Amazon right now to check that one out. Sounds good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, James! It is quite stunning that businesses carry on as they are, given what we know (and have known for a long time).</p>
<p>Eaon &#8211; I&#8217;m heading over to Amazon right now to check that one out. Sounds good.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Motivation &#8211; How Business Has it Wrong and How You Can Put it Right by eaon</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/06/motivation-how-business-has-it-wrong-and-how-you-can-put-it-right/comment-page-1/#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>eaon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good work.
There&#039;s another great book (it was the one that properly turned me on to this idea of &#039;Purpose&#039; as a key motivator) from a few years back, Meaning Inc by Gurnek Bains.
Worth a peek if you&#039;ve not seen it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good work.<br />
There&#8217;s another great book (it was the one that properly turned me on to this idea of &#8216;Purpose&#8217; as a key motivator) from a few years back, Meaning Inc by Gurnek Bains.<br />
Worth a peek if you&#8217;ve not seen it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Motivation &#8211; How Business Has it Wrong and How You Can Put it Right by James</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/06/motivation-how-business-has-it-wrong-and-how-you-can-put-it-right/comment-page-1/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Benjamin. So much of business puts barriers in the way of, and adds costs to, what it really needs it&#039;s people to do. Frustrating but fixable.

I especially like your point about describing the problem, not the solution. This harks back to so many other successful approaches like Covey&#039;s &quot;Begin with the end in mind&quot; and GTD&#039;s Natural Planning Model. Not a new idea but a very important one and tools which facilitate this, like Milestone Planner, will make it more prevalent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Benjamin. So much of business puts barriers in the way of, and adds costs to, what it really needs it&#8217;s people to do. Frustrating but fixable.</p>
<p>I especially like your point about describing the problem, not the solution. This harks back to so many other successful approaches like Covey&#8217;s &#8220;Begin with the end in mind&#8221; and GTD&#8217;s Natural Planning Model. Not a new idea but a very important one and tools which facilitate this, like Milestone Planner, will make it more prevalent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Really Social Business &#8211; The Key to Collaboration by shivseo (Shiva Purohith)</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/05/really-social-business-the-key-to-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-352</link>
		<dc:creator>shivseo (Shiva Purohith)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 10:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really Social Business – The Key to Collaboration http://socialoptic.com/2010/05/really-social-business-the-key-to-collaboration/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really Social Business – The Key to Collaboration <a href="http://socialoptic.com/2010/05/really-social-business-the-key-to-collaboration/" rel="nofollow">http://socialoptic.com/2010/05/really-social-business-the-key-to-collaboration/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Getting started with Milestone Planner by George Kalergis</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2009/12/getting-started/comment-page-1/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>George Kalergis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 01:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha!..... that makes sense. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha!&#8230;.. that makes sense. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Getting started with Milestone Planner by Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2009/12/getting-started/comment-page-1/#comment-343</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 21:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello George!

We&#039;ve added the word &#039;by&#039; to clarify things a little. We encourage people to thing &#039;outcomes&#039; rather than &#039;activities&#039;. As opposed to building a to do list, think about it as build a plan for the things you will have achieved. e.g. &quot;10 new customers signed up&quot;. &quot;new shop front agreed&quot;. It&#039;s a slightly different way of thinking, and helps you achieve more things, with less stress!

Of course, you are free to build your plans anyway you want to! We want milestone planner to be as flexible as possible, but we want our community to be as successful as possible in their businesses too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello George!</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve added the word &#8216;by&#8217; to clarify things a little. We encourage people to thing &#8216;outcomes&#8217; rather than &#8216;activities&#8217;. As opposed to building a to do list, think about it as build a plan for the things you will have achieved. e.g. &#8220;10 new customers signed up&#8221;. &#8220;new shop front agreed&#8221;. It&#8217;s a slightly different way of thinking, and helps you achieve more things, with less stress!</p>
<p>Of course, you are free to build your plans anyway you want to! We want milestone planner to be as flexible as possible, but we want our community to be as successful as possible in their businesses too!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Creative Leadership by socialoptic (SocialOptic)</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/05/creative-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>socialoptic (SocialOptic)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 20:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blogged: Creative Leadership - the challenge for CEOs: http://socialoptic.com/2010/05/creative-leadership/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blogged: Creative Leadership &#8211; the challenge for CEOs: <a href="http://socialoptic.com/2010/05/creative-leadership/" rel="nofollow">http://socialoptic.com/2010/05/creative-leadership/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Getting started with Milestone Planner by George Kalergis</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2009/12/getting-started/comment-page-1/#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>George Kalergis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 15:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the same misunderstanding.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the same misunderstanding.  <img src='http://socialoptic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on April 1st, SocialOptic Launches Social Features for Milestone Planner by Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/04/april-1st-socialoptic-launches-social-features-for-milestone-planner/comment-page-1/#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 16:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This turned into a lot more fun than we thought - we&#039;ve been sitting on this post since we first heard about chatroulette. It actually spawned some serious product ideas, but more about those when it isn&#039;t April 1st anywhere in the world! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This turned into a lot more fun than we thought &#8211; we&#8217;ve been sitting on this post since we first heard about chatroulette. It actually spawned some serious product ideas, but more about those when it isn&#8217;t April 1st anywhere in the world! <img src='http://socialoptic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on April 1st, SocialOptic Launches Social Features for Milestone Planner by Robin</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/04/april-1st-socialoptic-launches-social-features-for-milestone-planner/comment-page-1/#comment-273</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 14:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I actually believed that for a second!

Nice one ;-)

Robin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I actually believed that for a second!</p>
<p>Nice one <img src='http://socialoptic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Robin</p>
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		<title>Comment on Getting started with Milestone Planner by Dogsbody</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2009/12/getting-started/comment-page-1/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>Dogsbody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really silly thing, but you don&#039;t specify that the milestone should be placed on the day that it is due and not on the date that it is started.

I have just started collaborating with somone on a new project plan and they thought my timescales were all late :-p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really silly thing, but you don&#8217;t specify that the milestone should be placed on the day that it is due and not on the date that it is started.</p>
<p>I have just started collaborating with somone on a new project plan and they thought my timescales were all late :-p</p>
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		<title>Comment on Doing the Right Thing &#8211; It&#8217;s Not Easy &#8211; on RSS, iCal and Gravatars by Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/03/doing-the-right-thing-its-not-easy-on-rss-ical-and-gravatars/comment-page-1/#comment-269</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the encouragement and support!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Doing the Right Thing &#8211; It&#8217;s Not Easy &#8211; on RSS, iCal and Gravatars by Dogsbody</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/03/doing-the-right-thing-its-not-easy-on-rss-ical-and-gravatars/comment-page-1/#comment-266</link>
		<dc:creator>Dogsbody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do love Gravatar&#039;s and really wish they were more widely used as they make adding avatar&#039;s to projects so amazingly easy :-)

Hats off to you for doing the right thing, Security vs Usability can sometimes feel like a compromise and the very fact that you are thinking about these things is more than a lot of companies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do love Gravatar&#8217;s and really wish they were more widely used as they make adding avatar&#8217;s to projects so amazingly easy <img src='http://socialoptic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hats off to you for doing the right thing, Security vs Usability can sometimes feel like a compromise and the very fact that you are thinking about these things is more than a lot of companies!</p>
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		<title>Comment on From Business to Business to Person to Person by Like Minds 2010: That&#8217;s What They Said &#8211; Like Minds Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Like Minds 2010: That&#8217;s What They Said &#8211; Like Minds Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Benjamin Ellis &#8211; From Business To Business to Person To Person [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Anti-Social Business by 2.0 Adoption Warfare &#8211; can military tactics help?</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/02/anti-social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>2.0 Adoption Warfare &#8211; can military tactics help?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] or project is &#8220;the vision thing&#8221;. In Benjamin Ellis&#8217;s great post on &#8220;Anti-Social Business&#8221; he says: &#8220;Businesses that succeed, and continue to succeed, are driven by a big vision [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] or project is &#8220;the vision thing&#8221;. In Benjamin Ellis&#8217;s great post on &#8220;Anti-Social Business&#8221; he says: &#8220;Businesses that succeed, and continue to succeed, are driven by a big vision [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anti-Social Business by 2.0 Adoption Warfare - can military tactics help? &#124; CloudAve</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/02/anti-social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>2.0 Adoption Warfare - can military tactics help? &#124; CloudAve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] factors for any company or project is &quot;the vision thing&quot;.&#160; In Benjamin Ellis&#039;s great post on &quot;Anti-Social Business&quot; he says: &quot;Businesses that succeed, and continue to succeed, are driven by a big vision that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] factors for any company or project is &quot;the vision thing&quot;.&nbsp; In Benjamin Ellis&#39;s great post on &quot;Anti-Social Business&quot; he says: &quot;Businesses that succeed, and continue to succeed, are driven by a big vision that [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anti-Social Business by happyseaurchin</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/02/anti-social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>happyseaurchin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i love the slideshow

you are on the money

and as for gordon:
i played around with high trust games with kids
and belief is a necessary part of it
and when it works
boy it works well :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i love the slideshow</p>
<p>you are on the money</p>
<p>and as for gordon:<br />
i played around with high trust games with kids<br />
and belief is a necessary part of it<br />
and when it works<br />
boy it works well <img src='http://socialoptic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Anti-Social Business by Stuart Bruce</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/02/anti-social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-200</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and presentation. A lot to digest/comment on so I&#039;m just going to pick up on two points which I&#039;m constantly reiterating to clients. First up about the fact that business is primarily social. Whatever your industry sector every penny you earn ultimately comes from people/society. Second, the hoary old issue of ROI. Why can&#039;t some people just get that you can&#039;t do it? The online world is fabulous because it is so easy to count and measure so much. But so what? You&#039;ve got to stop and figure out what all this data means - that&#039;s evaluation which matters far more than measurement. The best way to use all this data isn&#039;t as evidence of success, but as a way to learn how to constantly improve and do it better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and presentation. A lot to digest/comment on so I&#8217;m just going to pick up on two points which I&#8217;m constantly reiterating to clients. First up about the fact that business is primarily social. Whatever your industry sector every penny you earn ultimately comes from people/society. Second, the hoary old issue of ROI. Why can&#8217;t some people just get that you can&#8217;t do it? The online world is fabulous because it is so easy to count and measure so much. But so what? You&#8217;ve got to stop and figure out what all this data means &#8211; that&#8217;s evaluation which matters far more than measurement. The best way to use all this data isn&#8217;t as evidence of success, but as a way to learn how to constantly improve and do it better.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anti-Social Business by Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/02/anti-social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gordon - I&#039;ll let Mark answer for himself, but I think you&#039;re missing what I&#039;ve written and perhaps taken Mark&#039;s work out of context.

When I say social systems, I am assuming positively functioning social systems. I think we&#039;d agree that a system that has bullying, intolerance and so on is not positively functioning. Those behaviours can be directly put at the feet of a lack of effective relationships and poorly constructed social identities. Broken social systems exist, but that isn&#039;t what we want inside of a healthy business.

Fixing the relational causes fixes the behaviours, which are of course due to the beliefs in the first place - the usual social psychology dualism. Mark shows one half of that dualism in his book, but I think you&#039;ll find that he recognises that the broader academic context supports the other side too. It is a question of degrees and context.

I&#039;d agree &quot;Social media&quot; folk often fail to distinguish between the instrumented relationships found in the work place and traditional friendships (although I worry that the term &quot;social media folk&quot; sounds a little pejorative!). Workplace relationships are different, but they do still fall under the usual work place constructs (both Penn and the University of Surrey have done some good studies).

Social technologies are indeed just another communication channel in some ways. They certainly aren&#039;t inherently democratic (hence my comments about socialism!), and Clay Shirky made some very good observations on that front post US elections. Using the tools is necessary, but not sufficient. There needs to be cultural change along side the deployment of the tools. The amplification provided by social media can be a useful tool to aid that change process. Like all technologies, it is about the execution, not just the tools. Email started out so promisingly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gordon &#8211; I&#8217;ll let Mark answer for himself, but I think you&#8217;re missing what I&#8217;ve written and perhaps taken Mark&#8217;s work out of context.</p>
<p>When I say social systems, I am assuming positively functioning social systems. I think we&#8217;d agree that a system that has bullying, intolerance and so on is not positively functioning. Those behaviours can be directly put at the feet of a lack of effective relationships and poorly constructed social identities. Broken social systems exist, but that isn&#8217;t what we want inside of a healthy business.</p>
<p>Fixing the relational causes fixes the behaviours, which are of course due to the beliefs in the first place &#8211; the usual social psychology dualism. Mark shows one half of that dualism in his book, but I think you&#8217;ll find that he recognises that the broader academic context supports the other side too. It is a question of degrees and context.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d agree &#8220;Social media&#8221; folk often fail to distinguish between the instrumented relationships found in the work place and traditional friendships (although I worry that the term &#8220;social media folk&#8221; sounds a little pejorative!). Workplace relationships are different, but they do still fall under the usual work place constructs (both Penn and the University of Surrey have done some good studies).</p>
<p>Social technologies are indeed just another communication channel in some ways. They certainly aren&#8217;t inherently democratic (hence my comments about socialism!), and Clay Shirky made some very good observations on that front post US elections. Using the tools is necessary, but not sufficient. There needs to be cultural change along side the deployment of the tools. The amplification provided by social media can be a useful tool to aid that change process. Like all technologies, it is about the execution, not just the tools. Email started out so promisingly!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anti-Social Business by Gordon Rae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to take issue with a couple of points. First, your section heading &quot;Belief is the First Step to Behaviour&quot; states the complete opposite of what Mark Earls says in &#039;Herd&#039;, where he summarises research that suggests attitudinal changes follow behavioural change, rather than preceding them. 

Then, you say &quot;Social systems require trust, purpose and commonality to persist.&quot; If that were true,  phenomena like bullying, intolerance, and gangs would wither away. But they don&#039;t. In many cases, they are sustainable, resilient and contagious. It seems to be a very common failing among &quot;social media&quot;  folk that they associate the term with friendship, and trust, and general niceness, but the &quot;social&quot; includes all the ways in which people relate to one another, and organize ourselves into groups. 

Social technologies enable us to amplify conversations and reshape communication practices. They dramatically reduce the cost of giving lots of people access to lots of information. But they aren&#039;t inherently democratic and honest, and they need not tip the balance in favour of democracy or honesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to take issue with a couple of points. First, your section heading &#8220;Belief is the First Step to Behaviour&#8221; states the complete opposite of what Mark Earls says in &#8216;Herd&#8217;, where he summarises research that suggests attitudinal changes follow behavioural change, rather than preceding them. </p>
<p>Then, you say &#8220;Social systems require trust, purpose and commonality to persist.&#8221; If that were true,  phenomena like bullying, intolerance, and gangs would wither away. But they don&#8217;t. In many cases, they are sustainable, resilient and contagious. It seems to be a very common failing among &#8220;social media&#8221;  folk that they associate the term with friendship, and trust, and general niceness, but the &#8220;social&#8221; includes all the ways in which people relate to one another, and organize ourselves into groups. </p>
<p>Social technologies enable us to amplify conversations and reshape communication practices. They dramatically reduce the cost of giving lots of people access to lots of information. But they aren&#8217;t inherently democratic and honest, and they need not tip the balance in favour of democracy or honesty.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anti-Social Business by broadstuff</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/02/anti-social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>broadstuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Social Media in the Enterprise @ Cass Business School...&lt;/strong&gt;

Patchwork Elephants in the Enterprise Ecosystem On Tuesday night David Terrar and I ran the first Social media in Enterprise session (#smie on Twitter), as part of London&#039;s Social media Week (and Benjamin Ellis took some pictures). We only thought...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Social Media in the Enterprise @ Cass Business School&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Patchwork Elephants in the Enterprise Ecosystem On Tuesday night David Terrar and I ran the first Social media in Enterprise session (#smie on Twitter), as part of London&#8217;s Social media Week (and Benjamin Ellis took some pictures). We only thought&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Advanced Cat Herding &#8211; Part I by happyseaurchin</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2009/12/advanced-cat-herding-modern-management-i/comment-page-1/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>happyseaurchin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent!
ideas and presentation on slideshow
wish i had been there :)
2010 is going to be a good year for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent!<br />
ideas and presentation on slideshow<br />
wish i had been there <img src='http://socialoptic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
2010 is going to be a good year for you!</p>
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