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		<title>By: 2.0 Adoption Warfare &#8211; can military tactics help?</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/02/anti-social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>2.0 Adoption Warfare &#8211; can military tactics help?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] or project is &#8220;the vision thing&#8221;. In Benjamin Ellis&#8217;s great post on &#8220;Anti-Social Business&#8221; he says: &#8220;Businesses that succeed, and continue to succeed, are driven by a big vision [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] or project is &#8220;the vision thing&#8221;. In Benjamin Ellis&#8217;s great post on &#8220;Anti-Social Business&#8221; he says: &#8220;Businesses that succeed, and continue to succeed, are driven by a big vision [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 2.0 Adoption Warfare - can military tactics help? &#124; CloudAve</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/02/anti-social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>2.0 Adoption Warfare - can military tactics help? &#124; CloudAve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] factors for any company or project is &quot;the vision thing&quot;.&#160; In Benjamin Ellis&#039;s great post on &quot;Anti-Social Business&quot; he says: &quot;Businesses that succeed, and continue to succeed, are driven by a big vision that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] factors for any company or project is &quot;the vision thing&quot;.&nbsp; In Benjamin Ellis&#39;s great post on &quot;Anti-Social Business&quot; he says: &quot;Businesses that succeed, and continue to succeed, are driven by a big vision that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: happyseaurchin</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/02/anti-social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>happyseaurchin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i love the slideshow

you are on the money

and as for gordon:
i played around with high trust games with kids
and belief is a necessary part of it
and when it works
boy it works well :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i love the slideshow</p>
<p>you are on the money</p>
<p>and as for gordon:<br />
i played around with high trust games with kids<br />
and belief is a necessary part of it<br />
and when it works<br />
boy it works well :)</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Bruce</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/02/anti-social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-200</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and presentation. A lot to digest/comment on so I&#039;m just going to pick up on two points which I&#039;m constantly reiterating to clients. First up about the fact that business is primarily social. Whatever your industry sector every penny you earn ultimately comes from people/society. Second, the hoary old issue of ROI. Why can&#039;t some people just get that you can&#039;t do it? The online world is fabulous because it is so easy to count and measure so much. But so what? You&#039;ve got to stop and figure out what all this data means - that&#039;s evaluation which matters far more than measurement. The best way to use all this data isn&#039;t as evidence of success, but as a way to learn how to constantly improve and do it better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and presentation. A lot to digest/comment on so I&#8217;m just going to pick up on two points which I&#8217;m constantly reiterating to clients. First up about the fact that business is primarily social. Whatever your industry sector every penny you earn ultimately comes from people/society. Second, the hoary old issue of ROI. Why can&#8217;t some people just get that you can&#8217;t do it? The online world is fabulous because it is so easy to count and measure so much. But so what? You&#8217;ve got to stop and figure out what all this data means &#8211; that&#8217;s evaluation which matters far more than measurement. The best way to use all this data isn&#8217;t as evidence of success, but as a way to learn how to constantly improve and do it better.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/02/anti-social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gordon - I&#039;ll let Mark answer for himself, but I think you&#039;re missing what I&#039;ve written and perhaps taken Mark&#039;s work out of context.

When I say social systems, I am assuming positively functioning social systems. I think we&#039;d agree that a system that has bullying, intolerance and so on is not positively functioning. Those behaviours can be directly put at the feet of a lack of effective relationships and poorly constructed social identities. Broken social systems exist, but that isn&#039;t what we want inside of a healthy business.

Fixing the relational causes fixes the behaviours, which are of course due to the beliefs in the first place - the usual social psychology dualism. Mark shows one half of that dualism in his book, but I think you&#039;ll find that he recognises that the broader academic context supports the other side too. It is a question of degrees and context.

I&#039;d agree &quot;Social media&quot; folk often fail to distinguish between the instrumented relationships found in the work place and traditional friendships (although I worry that the term &quot;social media folk&quot; sounds a little pejorative!). Workplace relationships are different, but they do still fall under the usual work place constructs (both Penn and the University of Surrey have done some good studies).

Social technologies are indeed just another communication channel in some ways. They certainly aren&#039;t inherently democratic (hence my comments about socialism!), and Clay Shirky made some very good observations on that front post US elections. Using the tools is necessary, but not sufficient. There needs to be cultural change along side the deployment of the tools. The amplification provided by social media can be a useful tool to aid that change process. Like all technologies, it is about the execution, not just the tools. Email started out so promisingly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gordon &#8211; I&#8217;ll let Mark answer for himself, but I think you&#8217;re missing what I&#8217;ve written and perhaps taken Mark&#8217;s work out of context.</p>
<p>When I say social systems, I am assuming positively functioning social systems. I think we&#8217;d agree that a system that has bullying, intolerance and so on is not positively functioning. Those behaviours can be directly put at the feet of a lack of effective relationships and poorly constructed social identities. Broken social systems exist, but that isn&#8217;t what we want inside of a healthy business.</p>
<p>Fixing the relational causes fixes the behaviours, which are of course due to the beliefs in the first place &#8211; the usual social psychology dualism. Mark shows one half of that dualism in his book, but I think you&#8217;ll find that he recognises that the broader academic context supports the other side too. It is a question of degrees and context.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d agree &#8220;Social media&#8221; folk often fail to distinguish between the instrumented relationships found in the work place and traditional friendships (although I worry that the term &#8220;social media folk&#8221; sounds a little pejorative!). Workplace relationships are different, but they do still fall under the usual work place constructs (both Penn and the University of Surrey have done some good studies).</p>
<p>Social technologies are indeed just another communication channel in some ways. They certainly aren&#8217;t inherently democratic (hence my comments about socialism!), and Clay Shirky made some very good observations on that front post US elections. Using the tools is necessary, but not sufficient. There needs to be cultural change along side the deployment of the tools. The amplification provided by social media can be a useful tool to aid that change process. Like all technologies, it is about the execution, not just the tools. Email started out so promisingly!</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Rae</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/02/anti-social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to take issue with a couple of points. First, your section heading &quot;Belief is the First Step to Behaviour&quot; states the complete opposite of what Mark Earls says in &#039;Herd&#039;, where he summarises research that suggests attitudinal changes follow behavioural change, rather than preceding them. 

Then, you say &quot;Social systems require trust, purpose and commonality to persist.&quot; If that were true,  phenomena like bullying, intolerance, and gangs would wither away. But they don&#039;t. In many cases, they are sustainable, resilient and contagious. It seems to be a very common failing among &quot;social media&quot;  folk that they associate the term with friendship, and trust, and general niceness, but the &quot;social&quot; includes all the ways in which people relate to one another, and organize ourselves into groups. 

Social technologies enable us to amplify conversations and reshape communication practices. They dramatically reduce the cost of giving lots of people access to lots of information. But they aren&#039;t inherently democratic and honest, and they need not tip the balance in favour of democracy or honesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to take issue with a couple of points. First, your section heading &#8220;Belief is the First Step to Behaviour&#8221; states the complete opposite of what Mark Earls says in &#8216;Herd&#8217;, where he summarises research that suggests attitudinal changes follow behavioural change, rather than preceding them. </p>
<p>Then, you say &#8220;Social systems require trust, purpose and commonality to persist.&#8221; If that were true,  phenomena like bullying, intolerance, and gangs would wither away. But they don&#8217;t. In many cases, they are sustainable, resilient and contagious. It seems to be a very common failing among &#8220;social media&#8221;  folk that they associate the term with friendship, and trust, and general niceness, but the &#8220;social&#8221; includes all the ways in which people relate to one another, and organize ourselves into groups. </p>
<p>Social technologies enable us to amplify conversations and reshape communication practices. They dramatically reduce the cost of giving lots of people access to lots of information. But they aren&#8217;t inherently democratic and honest, and they need not tip the balance in favour of democracy or honesty.</p>
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		<title>By: broadstuff</title>
		<link>http://socialoptic.com/2010/02/anti-social-business/comment-page-1/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>broadstuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Social Media in the Enterprise @ Cass Business School...&lt;/strong&gt;

Patchwork Elephants in the Enterprise Ecosystem On Tuesday night David Terrar and I ran the first Social media in Enterprise session (#smie on Twitter), as part of London&#039;s Social media Week (and Benjamin Ellis took some pictures). We only thought...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Social Media in the Enterprise @ Cass Business School&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Patchwork Elephants in the Enterprise Ecosystem On Tuesday night David Terrar and I ran the first Social media in Enterprise session (#smie on Twitter), as part of London&#8217;s Social media Week (and Benjamin Ellis took some pictures). We only thought&#8230;</p>
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